Today sees the game which might, just might, sort out who finishes 10th in the competition. Yes, it’s a bit early to say that, but given their performances on Saturday, worthy though Afghanistan’s was, there is a sense that neither of these two teams will be in the shake up when the group phase ends in about a month or two’s time. The game is being played at Cardiff, and the rain radar looks less than great, so it may be that this is all for nought in anyway. Let’s hope not. Afghanistan look a particularly intriguing team, and in many ways are the poster child for all those, very vociferous, advocates of a larger World Cup (in terms of participants, not games).
Comments, as always, below.
As for yesterday’s events in Nottingham, it was always going to be interesting to see how England fans and media (and soon to see also how the players) would react to the first reverse. It was always going to happen, but maybe it was envisaged that it wouldn’t be this early in the competition, and that the early loss, if there was to be one, would be against South Africa (who may also be scrapping for 10th place if their form is maintained!). The immediate response, judging by Sky and some of Twitter, is that this was a freakishly bad fielding performance, that England will need to improve, but we really are very good at this format and so no worries fellow travelers.
As Lee Corsey on College Game Day (obscure US reference) would say “Not so fast”. Now I know a fellow writer is more sanguine about the loss, but I didn’t get to this point in my blogging life without knowingly under-reacting, and in truth I genuinely don’t think I am. I think the ability of this England team is under question because it has not won the massive game. That’s because they have, really, only had one, which was a semi-final against Pakistan in the Champions Trophy. I might let you have Australia in the opening game of that tournament, if Australia were ever that bothered about the Champions Trophy, which they hadn’t been much previously. I thought, last night, about England football team’s qualifying performance in the lead up the 2010 World Cup, and how we won 4-1 and 5-1 against Croatia, and dropped points in a game that really didn’t matter because we’s already qualified. We then made a horlicks of the main tournament.
It’s always a bit arrogant to say England try their hardest in routine ODIs, and other teams don’t really care that much, but maybe there is a small case to say this is true here. After all, the pressure was put on in 2015 when Andrew Strauss said we would focus more on white ball cricket, and that has certainly been the case – other nations don’t make it so blindingly obvious. The media have, by and large, got on board with this, and perhaps explaining away or excusing some issues with the test team as if there is a trade off for the white ball team’s success. And it has been successful. England have been an entertaining batting side to watch, while the bowling leaves a little to be desired. Indeed, if ever the team plays to a less than full audience on these shores, some of the key media figures exhort the host to lose fixtures because they won’t pay exorbitant prices to watch “the greatest England ODI team ever” (a title I will not anoint them to until they match what the 1992 team did).
There’s always a problem commenting on a game I haven’t watched. But I knew from the outset of the run chase that chasing 349 to win in a World Cup isn’t like chasing it down in the 3rd ODI of a tedious five match series where each squad is chopping and changing its players. The jeopardy of defeat is much, much higher. If you are thinking you can lose just three games to be certain to qualify, England will need to beat two out of India, Australia, New Zealand, and I am going to throw our kryptonite, West Indies, into that mix. And that’s taking for granted Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, which may be foolish. This isn’t a bump in the road, but a clear warning sign. England played tightly against South Africa, but had enough to beat them. They got lured into a pace attack and bouncer strategy by Pakistan’s atrocious first game. By the time the messages appeared to get through, Pakistan were off to a decent start, and 348 was possibly reining them in a bit. There’s a lot of positives taken from Root and Buttler making hundreds, but the supporting cast did not step up and that’s a concern. Given the nature of pitches and boundaries, this won’t be the last time we could be chasing 350. It’s not easy, and perhaps the sin of this team is that they’ve made it look like it during the cricket equivalent of the “qualifying campaign”.
Pakistan are a walking cliche for unpredictability, and so losing 11 in a row and then beating the “World Champion Elect” seems like a Ruiz felling Joshua. But it really shouldn’t be. They have talented batting, and the bowling can never be taken for granted. Sometimes they lose their minds, sometimes they put it together. It makes them eminently watchable, and a dangerous foe. For all the beatings England have administered to them in bilateral series, they’ve now played them, as New White Ball England, twice in major competitions and lost. It’s when the game is played that really matters.
So yes, I am concerned for England. Contrary to the views of people who hate this format, this loss does matter. With ten teams, a 5-4 win loss record could be recorded by the 5th and 6th place teams if one or two of the countries fail to raise themselves if they know elimination is certain. England have Bangladesh up next, on Saturday at Cardiff, and then face the West Indies the following Friday in Southampton. We will have a feel for how the qualification is going by then, and if England sit at 2-2 in the win-loss column (and let’s definitely not take Bangladesh for granted) then the alarm bells will be ringing.
One last note. I have to say it. While I’ve made most of my peace with England’s cricket team (as if they give a stuff), the whole long-term problem with what happened in 2014, and what Harrison is doing now, is that these defeats don’t sting like they used to. An England football defeat stings much more, especially under this Southgate team. This doesn’t. They seem decent players, hell, I like quite a few of them. But it doesn’t matter that much to me. We had a word with a media guy a few months ago who thought that if England got on a roll, the country would go mad for this tournament. I said that how could they? They won’t be able to watch it if they don’t have Sky. And some cricket fans like me are so cheesed off with the suits who pick the boots, that we’ll see any victory marred by the ECB patting themselves on the back for coming to the conclusion that the 2015 World Cup was a bit embarrassing. Because we know that this would give Citizen Kane Harrison even more fuel for his ego-driven campaign to destroy English domestic cricket as it exists now. (Oh yes, we saw the Standard article, where Harrison is bathing in overwhelming support none of us have noticed). So while Buttler makes hundreds, Joe Root plays the anchor as the others hit around him (a run a ball hundred is an anchor role these days), and the entertainment is there, the suits have ruined it.
Actually, while I am here, I have one last note. Notice how Australia have seamlessly assimilated Smith and Warner back into the fold, with the media it appears massively behind them, despite them “shaming the nation” and in the case of Warner, reports that he’d been “ostracised” and “made to dine alone by the team” and being the outcast blamed for the sandpaper incident. Notice how prime outlets like ABC are confident enough to have articles using these two to have a pop at England fans for understandable wind-ups (and calling England fans boorish). Notice how the “abuse” is seen as a positive for Warner, that it will make him play better. Notice that picture of Warner taking selfies with Aussie fans? I have. Perhaps our suits, perhaps our hierarchy should stop babbling on about culture and trust, and pick our best players on every occasions. It seems other nations just try harder and don’t hang themselves on managerial and coaching gods, but on players. Who play. And yes, I am talking about Pietersen. Of course I am.
OK, enough from me. Comments below on today’s action…..
Continuing with your football references, I’m reminded of when Wayne Rooney retired from internationals and there was a BBC puff piece about his career, and a number of gushing tributes. One question that seemed to come up a lot was “why do some people not give him the credit he so obviously deserves?” To which my answer was:
“Truly atrocious record in major international tournaments after the age of 18?”
I genuinely don’t give a toss how many goals he banged in during qualifying and friendlies. He was abysmal at every major tournament after Euro 2004, and that’s what i’ll remember. Don’t see any need to apologise for doing so either: Lineker and Shearer both lit up at least one major tournament by doing their job properly. It also helped that they didn’t whine down a TV camera after the single worst football match I’ve ever seen, and then effectively hold their club to ransom for a wage rise a few months later.
“If you are thinking you can lose just three games to be certain to qualify, England will need to beat two out of India, Australia, New Zealand, and I am going to throw our kryptonite, West Indies, into that mix.”
I was thinking exactly that this morning and whilst I am not panicking, I am a little worried about our chances.
It depends on how you look at it. Five wins will probably be enough, and that means England would need to beat Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and then just one more from the others.
If a side has pretensions of winning the World Cup, it’s hardly demanding.
I guess I’m more sanguine than you are, although that doesn’t mean to say I’m sure we’ll manage 2 wins from India/Aus/NZ/WI as we’re not reliably better than any of them.
That said, if someone kicks Woakes ass and restricts him to two short balls per spell (instead of 2 per over) the game looks a lot closer – and it’s not impossible this will happen ahead of future matches.
Fielding looked complacent and Roy dropped an important catch. I would hope there is less complacency now, but Roy had an abysmal day all around and I’m not sure we can progress unless he bounces back.
Rashid’s shoulder however is a big worry to me, as I don’t see we have any backup really.
Batting contains some worries:
1) Roy & Bairstow can expect to face spinners every opening now. And they look vulnerable.
2) Stokes has some way to go before we can declare him back in form.
3) Mo? Walking wicket. So we’ll lose any game where we get to that many wickets down.
So why am I more sanguine?
Because Rashid’s shoulder apart, all of this can improve over the course of a tournament.
And while I have a lot of issues with the England management, they have some pedigree re: ODIs.
So, SL vs AFG.
SL got off to a great start, mostly via Kusal Perera and he’s still in.
Frankly, unless the match gets rained off, they should get a win here.
Ok, Mohammad Nabi has some other ideas… more power to his elbow.
Hassan has remembered that he’s a big match player too now…
Sri Lanka batting vies with South Africa for most non-existent middle order of the tourney. 144/1 has become 149/5
Not really that surprising that Warner and Smith are back with all forgiven, they were given a pretty extreme penalty, surely the matter is closed and everyone can concentrate on the cricket. I absolutely take the point that there is nothing more important than the player, no matter how difficult they may be.
Great game yesterday. I watched a bit, I’ve always enjoyed how serious Pakistan are, no frivolous smiles and celebrations; they are intense. Wahab Riaz always looks like he wants to thump someone.
Puzzled about a couple of things: Why did Pakistan cop a fine for being deemed one over late, while England didn’t and were 19 minutes late?
Also, why was Roy fined for uttering an expletive after a misfield? I must have missed something, has cricket now reached the point where players aren’t allowed to swear at themselves? How’s that going to work for Australians, who rarely get through a sentence without a bloody expletive?
Anyway, interesting to see the niggles developing yesterday, England’s mask slipped a little. I know England are favorites or near favorites to win, but I wouldn’t put a dime on them doing so. It’s England, they just can’t be trusted not to screw it up.
Rain stops play…
Lot will depend how long it lasts.
If we get into DL it may favour SL.
Actually, after a bit of messing with a calculator it looks like any major reduction of overs will favour AFG.
Looks like a resumption is imminent.
And getting interesting.
Harrison speaks in the cricketer….
Harrison, though, disputed any concern over the competition’s progress. He added: “I don’t agree at all [that things are not going well]. I think we have got overwhelming support for the Hundred across the game.”
However, when questioned over the identity of the teams, following a report by the Evening Standard last week, Harrison refused to comment.
“There’s lots of speculation about whether those names are accurate or not,” he stated in the radio interview. “When the season is finished we will get to the business of revealing team identities.”
In other words, they are making it up on the hoof. Sounds like the names where a trial out. “Let’s run a few names up the flagpole see if they take.”
Also, What is this overwhelming support across the game he speaks of?