4th Test – Day 2 Comments

England posted 328, and have Pakistan one down.

West Indies v India was a washout on Day 3 making a draw a very likely outcome now.

World #1 beckons, doesn’t it?

We decided not to do a Day 1 report so that Andy’s excellent post on over rates could be highlighted a day after the word dilatory barely does justice to the pace of the overs bowled. I think we’ll come back to this after the series finishes, so if you haven’t done so already, read Andy’s post.

Comments on Day 2, below. Hopefully this post doesn’t appear until 10 am on Friday, but you never can trust WordPress!

 

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47 thoughts on “4th Test – Day 2 Comments

  1. nonoxcol August 12, 2016 / 9:48 am

    I see Dmitri is already off on the most shocking thing I’ve seen this morning. Seeing as it has obvious parallels for most of us and what we do here:

    (I even barged into a place I wouldn’t normally touch with a bargepole, i.e. a Premier League preview thread on the Guardian, to demand that they cover this as soon as humanly possible)

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    • thelegglance August 12, 2016 / 10:16 am

      Gives a pretty good insight on how they work with the media already. Write nasty things and you don’t get granted interviews, Jarrod Kimber’s media accreditation mysteriously going missing when doing DOAG etc, etc. This is just a logical extension of it.

      This is rather obviously counterproductive, which they never seem to grasp.

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    • Mark August 12, 2016 / 2:53 pm

      Just another example of football clubs becoming corporate constructs. It’s a customer model as apposed to a fan model. Well, good luck with that. Customers tend to have no loyalty and walk away if they are treated badly.

      I believe that West Ham donated money to the Tory party? Not the owner, or the management out of their private pockets, (although they may have done that as well.) but the clubs funds. It was in the official accounts I think? Then again they may have thought they needed to do it as thanks to the terrible deal for the tax payer the govt got in handing over the Olympic stadium to West Ham for a paltry rent for 99 years. Football clubs are now no different from Kentucky fried chicken, or Starbucks, or Amazon. Man Utd is now listed on Wall Street, and registered in the Cayman islands. It’s locality is the only thing English about it.

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    • fred August 12, 2016 / 9:32 pm

      The only consolation I can offer is that any organisation that tries to control social media usually ends up with egg on its face. Trying to control a football fan’s opinion on social media is surely just pissing into the wind.

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    • Mark August 12, 2016 / 2:40 pm

      Thanks for that Sean.

      I won’t even dignify it by replying. Although in fairness to Cook he is a better batsman.

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  2. BoredInAustria August 12, 2016 / 12:43 pm

    From BBC: ” Alex Hales fined for dissent …. 15% of his match fee by the ICC for showing dissent at an umpire’s decision yesterday. The ICC said Hales “visited the third umpire’s room and questioned the decision. He also made some inappropriate comments as he was leaving the room.”

    They are a nice mature bunch of chaps are they not, this England team…

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    • LordCanisLupus August 12, 2016 / 12:44 pm

      Did he do this with or without the team’s blessing? Sorry. That’s bang out of order.

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      • BoredInAustria August 12, 2016 / 1:56 pm

        Dobell: “Hales’ mood will not have been improved after he dropped a relatively straightforward chance offered by Yasir to gully on the second morning of the Test. Later in the session he was seen to mock Azhar Ali – Hales feigned crying – after it appeared the batsman had complained to the on-field umpires over comments made to him by the England fielders”

        http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1045195.html

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      • SteveT August 12, 2016 / 2:55 pm

        Doubtless this was all a bit of ‘banter’. At least it’ll keep that thick-eared clot from the Metro happy

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      • Andy August 12, 2016 / 3:26 pm

        maybe thats why he was moved into slips instead of Vince. He is now one of ‘the boys’ cause he has had a go at the umpire.

        This has left a(nother) sour taste in the mouth. I did quite like Hales and wanted him to succed, but if the above is true (and no reason to believe it is not) then it’s another reason to not particularly like someone on the England team.

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    • SteveT August 12, 2016 / 12:51 pm

      Was anything done about Jimmy’s behaviour at Edgbaston (reprimand or fine?) or did he just get off scot-free? Didn’t hear or read anything. Thought his conduct was pretty awful (if it wasn’t dissent what the hell was it?). Second test on the trot that Hales is out of pocket!

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      • d'Arthez August 12, 2016 / 1:14 pm

        Jimmy got of scot free. What did you expect?

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      • Andy August 12, 2016 / 1:26 pm

        The last thing I could find was being reprimanded in the SL series…

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      • SteveT August 12, 2016 / 1:43 pm

        Quelle surprise!!

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      • Escort August 14, 2016 / 10:29 am

        Perhaps his best friend had a quiet word on his behalf👌👌

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    • thebogfather August 12, 2016 / 12:57 pm

      Alas, Alex Hales, wither ye succeed or fail
      Now anointed by the MSM vultures uncultured
      To become the new ‘Compdog’ to flog
      You may not even yet have secured your team place
      Yet, somehow, fit not does your unshaved face
      So, from Etheridge to expected laughingStock and soon, unsubtle Selfry
      With Newman assuming the part of the bat in the belfry
      You are now found to be having your Test grave ready dug
      Only a big ton will prevent you from being the next ECB/MSM mug…

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    • Mark August 12, 2016 / 2:57 pm

      Pretty smart move by Hales I would say.

      His place is under threat ,and this team have shown that not “fitting in” is dynamite to your career. However, acting like a lout to officials seems to be part of the culture. He may have just helped his cause with those that matter in the team.

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  3. SteveT August 12, 2016 / 1:11 pm

    WTF!! Azhar goes off field for comfort break! That’ll speed up the over-rate.

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    • "IronBalls" McGinty August 12, 2016 / 2:03 pm

      Why? Pissing on the Oval wicket is de rigueur is it not?

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  4. SteveT August 12, 2016 / 1:58 pm

    Another gem BTL from the G

    ‘I was pilloried the other day.

    More proof that England are the real deal.

    A really frightening team. Barely a weakness there.’

    Can’t make it up!

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  5. SimonH August 12, 2016 / 2:07 pm

    Not directly about cricket although the central issue is clearly relevant to the game:

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/aug/12/cycling-danger-olympics-rio-2016-crashes

    For sheer ruddy cluelessness mixed with pseudy pretentiousness, it takes some beating. Not for the first time, I’m left wondering if the Guardian has a sports’ editor at all – of if so-called (bythemselves) star columnists are considered above such things.

    The evisceration it’s receiving BTL gives one some hope that there are still some decent commenters about (starting with Gary Naylor who’s written a superb comment).

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    • Mark August 12, 2016 / 3:24 pm

      …….”But a world without unreasonable risks, and the chance to admire the people willing to take them, would seem a less appealing place to be.”

      Ok, I look forward to The author becoming a war correspondent!

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    • nonoxcol August 12, 2016 / 8:41 pm

      I see your Williams and raise you the miserable narrow-minded wretch that is Barry Glendenning, complete with hilarious BTL interaction where he describes his own article as “accurate and informative” and triggers Selveyesque moderation in the process.

      Actually felt sorry for Selvey – imagine sacking him and keeping godawful bored with negative self-awareness like Glendenning.

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  6. thelegglance August 12, 2016 / 2:57 pm

    Different sport of course, but Liew is pretty much spot on here. Same applies to so many different things, match fixing in cricket for a start.

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  7. BoredInAustria August 12, 2016 / 3:17 pm

    And Hales tweeted a picture of the catch to prove his point (Sorry don’t know how to link it…:(

    @StuartBroad8 @CricketMirror bit blurry to be fair!

    Will he get rebuked like some others that used social media to critisize Sky reporters were?

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      • d'Arthez August 12, 2016 / 4:07 pm

        Geez, you would have thought that an opening batsman who has not done much all series has something else to focus on – namely his batting. Or does a second series out of three in which Hales struggles to average 20 really signify that your spot is secure?

        Does Hales think that mediocre returns against decent opposition will keep him in the side indefinitely? Or does he think that “well, my batting can’t keep me in the side, so I have to act like a complete and utter moron to buy me some extra time” will charm those who have doubts about him?

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      • Mark August 12, 2016 / 4:16 pm

        Wow!

        Do footballers go on Twitter within hours of a match ending and put up pictures of refereeing mistakes? And that is in a sport with a culture of attacking refs.

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    • nonoxcol August 12, 2016 / 6:39 pm

      There is a tweet from Lovejoy on the subject.

      Don’t all rush at once.

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  8. d'Arthez August 12, 2016 / 6:32 pm

    Meanwhile in the West Indies, the hosts have collapsed from 202/3 to 225 all out. Weather will probably save them (again).

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  9. oreston August 12, 2016 / 6:46 pm

    Once again there’s no indication that the captain did anything to try to ensure that his player behaved appropriately. I don’t think he has the management skills needed to do that part of his job and worryingly he doesn’t even seem to consider it to be part of his job.

    And so we go on…

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  10. fred August 12, 2016 / 8:57 pm

    Damn, it was only a day or two ago I was saying how the boorish unpleasant attitude of the previous English team had passed, and the new lot were alot better. And now this from Hales. Not just on the field, but with the third umpire after the game? Very average.

    And how did Anderson get away with no penalty from his tantrums last week?

    But how is it that when Hales, of all people, dropped Shah, of all people, Shah said nothing to him? He’s a better man than I.

    Despite all that, good cricket today. Not sure what will happen next but nice to see some good test batting from PAK.

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    • fred August 12, 2016 / 9:57 pm

      Cricinfo article reporting Farbrace’s comments on Hales:

      “We can’t support any player going in and having a crack at third umpire…
      Going into the match referee’s office was the wrong thing to do. We would not have advised him to go and share his thoughts. It was not the brightest thing to do…
      The last thing you need to do is go in and kick the door off its hinges and tell the third umpire he’s made a mistake…”

      People used to have a go at Ponting for his overenthusiastic demeanour, and some of that criticism may have been justified, but it was heat of the moment emotion, coming from a pretty straightforward guy (Ponting was never as calculated as someone like Warne, or Waugh). Ponting would never have “shared his thoughts” with the third umpire after the game. Unless it was with a smile on his face and and beer in his hand.

      It’s time we put to bed this myth about uncouth Australians and well behaved English. England has been probably the worst behaved team on the circut in the last decade.

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  11. quebecer August 13, 2016 / 1:45 am

    Hales. The case for the defense. Firstly, I’m not too impressed by Farbrace throwing him under the bus. If a player is so clearly in that state of mind, isn’t it Farbrace’s job to get to him quickly and put an arm around him and get him sorted out a bit? I’d say yes. Secondly, Hales was right. It seems to have gone unnoticed that the fielder claimed a catch that they knew wasn;t clean. This wasn’t one of those fingers under the ball uncertainties. The ball was to the side of the hands and grassed. Hales was pissed off that it was claimed and that no one apart from him seemed to see it. He had a point.

    He’s also in the heat of battle (blah blah) and to be honest, there’s a internal voice telling me I’m quite pleased at his anger. It wasn’t petulance. It was anger. Quite right.

    Of course, it gives the likes of Fred a chance to bemoan how Aussie cricketers are regarded, but you know what? Fred should get over the fact that lots of people talk a lot of shit pretty much most of the time. I have never had a problem with Aussie cricket (as he well knows) but some people just like to talk – and Aussie cricketers have had their share of that talk. Then again, they’ve done their share on the field (Watson to Gayle? Johnson after every wicket of the last Ashes?). But still, I’m with Fred about Punter – combative on the field, but a decent man, and always decent once he’d crossed the white line leaving the field. Well, there was that Gary Pratt thing, but I like to think Punter was just trying to give me a good laugh.

    Anyway, Hales. Grow the fuck up. Score a ton in the second innings. You’re 27. Shit happens. Get to the changing room and break something, and then sit there until you’ve calmed down.

    P.S. I hate those cry baby tweet pics. The worse of internet anonymity mixed with wanker humour. If the poster had been in the corridor as Hales was walking by, 6’4, bat in hand, face like a storm cloud, yeah, sure they’d have called him a cry baby. Wouldn’t they?

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    • Rooto August 13, 2016 / 6:40 am

      I agree with a lot of what you said, q, but not the bit about Farbrace. It’s refreshing that the England management aren’t coming over all Fergie and battening down the hatches against media criticism. That red-nosed fellow did a lot of damage to the idea of what a sports team should be, and Farbrace appears to have shown a more grown-up attitude (though the quote above is all I’ve seen). When someone does something wrong, they need to be told off, and hopefully in stronger terms to their face than the mild rebuke that seems to have been released to the media.

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      • LordCanisLupus August 13, 2016 / 9:08 am

        Not a lot of moral indignation from my fave journo…

        Just before it emerged that Hales had been fined 15 per cent of his match fee for making an uninvited visit to TV umpire Joel Wilson on Thursday, he dropped the man whose disputed catch so infuriated him on the first morning.
        Yasir Shah was certainly made aware of England’s displeasure, both Hales and Jimmy Anderson telling him what they thought on the field, and the England opener subsequently being forced to put his hand in his pocket for complaining about the decision and making inappropriate comments to Wilson.

        Seems as though he’s not too bothered at what is dissent towards an umpire.

        And this. Anyone would think he’s never seen Younus before..

        It has been difficult in this series to work out quite how Younis has such a record as he has been a frenetic bundle of a batsman, jumping around the crease and not reaching 50 before on Friday.

        I’m being picky.

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      • Mark August 13, 2016 / 9:23 am

        No you are not being picky.

        Spirit of cricket Dmitri, spirit of cricket. Always remember the fake spirit of cricket pushed by clowns like the journalist you quote. What does spirit of cricket mean to these bone heads?

        It means England can act like morons and yobs, and this journalist will turn a blind eye. That’s is why spirit of cricket as pushed by her majesty’s finest cricket writers is drivel.

        As I said yesterday this yob like behaviour by Hales will play well within the England dressing room, the management, and their media chums. His face fits in the dressing room. See the defence of his behaviour by Broad. This will give him a pass on his failire with the bat. Unlike others who are “odd, and strange” yobishness always plays well in this set up.

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        • LordCanisLupus August 13, 2016 / 9:37 am

          Then there is this…

          It is as if all energy in the field is sucked out of England as soon as Ben Stokes is missing and the return of the man who has become such an important influence on them cannot come soon enough after an injury-ravaged season.

          That’s rather a damning indictment of the on-the-field captain isn’t it? You know, the one being spoken in the same breath as Brearley by some eejits.

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      • Mark August 13, 2016 / 10:03 am

        Great spot Dmitri! And yes, what an indictment of the captain. But it’s the nearest you will get from the media.

        Perhaps Professor Smith will write a piece (using his historic knowledge of history gained while visiting a Munich beer festival) to tell us of the litte acknowledged advantages of the thug like behaviour of the German SS, and how this can be translated into modern sporting teams?

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    • fred August 13, 2016 / 9:23 am

      Quite a good effort from Quebecer, there are actually some good points mixed in there with all the dross.

      The main mystery is how we seem to “know” both that the catch wasn’t clean, and that the fielder “knew” it wasn’t clean. Perhaps you’re God, that would explain it, otherwise it was just another of those great imponderables which crop up regularly, a borderline catch. No one “knows” anything, it was an estimate of probabilities and in this case it went against Hales.

      If it was heat of the moment anger, it’s strange he carried on later with the third umpire. It suggests a bit more than on the spot anger. It suggests immaturity and a sense of entitlement. Retrospectively making me wonder if the fans refund he provided last match was well intentioned or rather a sarcastic dismissal of an important issue).

      Quebecer’s right that I shouldn’t listen to the nonsense people speak, it’s why I stopped reading the Guardian cricket pages. Trash-talking Australia is just part of crickets cultural landscape.

      Breaking something in the changing room might be good advice, or might not. I seem to remember Ponting got into all sorts of trouble because a thrown piece of equipment rebounded onto a TV screen and broke it, and Stokes might have something to say about it too.

      The bigger point was entirely missed of couse, my comment wasn’t about Hales, it was about whether the culture of the English team had improved, I thought it had but between Hales and Anderson, I’m not so sure now. Their cricket has improved though, I’ll give them that.

      I was watching when Shah edged to Hales and he dropped it. Not only did Shah not comment, or even smile, he didn’t even change his expression. Not a muscle in his face moved. Now that is focus, that is maturity.

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      • SimonH August 13, 2016 / 11:31 am

        Well, I posted the crybaby pic.

        I wasn’t watching the session of play where it happened (I was watching Olympic golf) but as it was reported, Hales made the gesture at Azhar Ali, not at Yasir – so It’s not directly about his disputed dismissal. If the picture had been saying Hales was a crybaby just for being unhappy with his dismissal, I wouldn’t have posted it.

        Hales made the gesture so it’s fair enough to throw it back at him in my book. I’m quite a fan of Hales and have defended him repeatedly (mostly at TFT). I understand his place is under pressure and this doesn’t always bring out the best in people. However it’s poor conduct on his part and whether I’d say that to his face when he’s bigger than me and armed with a weapon doesn’t change it.

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      • quebecer August 14, 2016 / 1:50 am

        Well, I wouldn’t exactly say ‘God’, as such…

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      • Quebecer August 14, 2016 / 3:28 pm

        “Hales made the gesture so it’s fair enough to throw it back at him in my book”

        Well, hmmm, yes. You have a point there.

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