The Fourth One-Day International

Welcome to the comments thread. While you’ll be watching this game at Headingley  (or following on the radio or Internet) I will be at England’s third test venue (behind the oval and Old Trafford I believe) to see if North London can pull off a miracle against a demob happy professional Northerner club.

England, as usual, are a bit more chipper after a win and giving it a little bit. Let’s see if that confidence is well placed. We’ll know if we see Andrew Strauss’s name in the papers in the next two days.

As you can tell this break from blogging is a bit longer than usual. It’ll kick off soon. The end of season poll is next week. Who will win the prestigious “worst journalist” award? Will Selfey continue to dominate along with Pringle? Promising newcomers to the list like FICJAM and the Analyst could barge in. Newman has his work cut out to maintain his lofty status and Bunkers may suffer from having single figure readership. What about John Etheridge, the tweeting avenger? Maybe even Scyld and his scoring wibble upset you? Aggers may annoy, Dean Wilson infuriate or James Holden/Michael Calvin show quality bilious rants outweigh quantity nonsense.

Or is there someone else?

Comment on the match below. Keep your powder dry for the survey. Because despite what they say, we know they read it. 

48 thoughts on “The Fourth One-Day International

  1. Julie Sep 11, 2015 / 8:31 am

    Thank we can assume whoever wins the toss will win the game.


  2. Mark Sep 11, 2015 / 9:13 am

    Australia win toss and bat.

    Finn rested, and Mark Wood is back, which seems strange.

    Another match in northern England in September. Who ever worked out this schedule has been very lucky with the weather so far.


  3. metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 9:56 am

    Compton doing quite well for North London.

    Glad to see Willey in the mix. It just makes sense in the long term.

    Not sure that Wood should be back – you have to worry that they haven’t got a proper plan for his ankle.

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    • metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 10:01 am

      Now that’s what I’m talking about. Nice yorker.


  4. metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 10:34 am

    Maxwell looking like the danger man here at the moment.


  5. metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 11:21 am

    Not looking like a good day for the England spinners today…


    • Rooto Sep 11, 2015 / 12:42 pm

      Seems like Morgan’s got ideas about using them in tandem, at least. That must be good practice.


  6. Mark Sep 11, 2015 / 12:52 pm


    The last few over went for plenty.


    • LordCanisLupus Sep 11, 2015 / 12:57 pm

      Compton out here for 149. Played quite well this morning though not totally securely. Seemed more than a little surprised to be given out. Nice game brewing.


  7. d'Arthez Sep 11, 2015 / 12:53 pm

    Expensive ending. To go from 210-5 after 40.1 to 299/7 is not great, especially considering the fact that 77 of those runs came in the last 6 overs. We’ll see if the Aussies can defend this.


  8. SimonH Sep 11, 2015 / 1:03 pm

    Heretical thought:

    I know he’s a nice chap and we’re all concerned about his injury issues – but is Mark Wood quite good enough? His ODI average is over sixty and he hasn’t taken more than one wicket in an innings. I haven’t seen any reverse swing which is supposed to be his big talent (although nobody much has been getting swing – are these white balls made by Duke’s and why do they seem to swing so little?).


    • d'Arthez Sep 11, 2015 / 1:11 pm

      What balls do they use in domestic List-A competitions? Serious question.

      With a ball being used from each end, getting reverse swing is next to impossible, and conditions for international fixtures are usually not conducive to getting it either.

      Oh, and Wood’s domestic List-A record is nothing to write home about. A wicket per match is not good enough (at about 30 a piece), if England insist on just playing two front line seamers.

      Wiley averages 1 wicket / match as well, and that is not good enough either to qualify as a frontline seamer in ODI cricket.

      England bat deep, but they need favourable bowling conditions with this attack, or else the opposition is just going to rack the runs up.


      • metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 5:01 pm

        To be fair, Willey is only 4 games into a ODI career.


      • metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 5:05 pm

        Oops you are referring to his List A.
        I think Willey is in on strength of his T20 performances…


    • Mark Sep 11, 2015 / 2:23 pm

      He seemed to bowl to short today. ( Englands long term illness.).

      Stokes who went for 25 off 5 overs at 5 an over was England’s second best average bowler. Perhaps he could have bowled a few more?


    • metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 5:14 pm

      Wood’s first 5 overs were tidy, economical and full of 90mph balls.
      I presume that he got tonked at the end – I couldn’t watch all day. I think that’s where his relative lack of variation / movement comes back to bite him. As D’Arthez notes, the 2 ball setup works against reverse, esp. in September in England. (Lush outfields.)

      I don’t think he’s a first choice for ODIs.
      I’d guess that the 1st choice lineup is something like:

      Roy, (Hales?), Taylor, Morgan, Stokes, (Bairstow?/Buttler?), Ali, Broad, Willey, (Plunkett/Finn), Rashid.

      Wood is I think in the backups. Although I can imagine there are pitches where his style is a better bet than Plunkett or Finn.


      • metatone Sep 11, 2015 / 5:32 pm

        I should probably put a ? next to Willey too – but I think they have to make a left-armer a priority, variety in the attack is very important.


  9. SimonH Sep 11, 2015 / 2:04 pm

    Has Hales just played himself off the plane?

    And, more seriously, has Mr. Brightside managed to impossible and become more annoying than the Gut Truster?


  10. SimonH Sep 11, 2015 / 3:44 pm

    Team scores after 25 overs identical (143/3).

    Morgan has just overtaken Gooch as England’s highest ODI run scorer against Australia. Tickets are still available for Newman’s street party in celebration.


  11. pktroll (@pktroll) Sep 11, 2015 / 4:09 pm

    Looks like there will be a reasonably tight finish today for once. That said it should be noted that this particular Aussie bowling line up is a long way from being their premier ODI line-up. Only Cummins and Maxwell are really first choicers in that team.


  12. pktroll (@pktroll) Sep 11, 2015 / 4:51 pm

    To Lord Canis, I wonder if you can confirm that when you visited Lord’s that Tim Bresnan was still minus his heavy ball? I thought the that looked most heavy was his belly but I’m horrible in judging him.


  13. pktroll (@pktroll) Sep 11, 2015 / 4:52 pm

    As I write the last post what a fantastic catch from Maxwell that gives Australia a slight chance with 3 wickets left but only 18 runs needed.


  14. Arron Wright Sep 11, 2015 / 5:50 pm

    Never forget that it was Andrew Strauss and his decisive support that allowed the England captain to flourish this summer.



    • Mark Sep 11, 2015 / 6:25 pm

      I think that’s the reason they employed him. So the establishment can take all the credit when it goes right, and the players all the blame when it goes wrong.

      It’s like Cook with the test team. It’s Cooks England when we win, and just England when we lose. Increasingly it’s Strauss England when we win, and Morgan’s England when we lose.

      Someone should ask Strauss why he keeps saying we don’t doctor the pitches now Anderson has admitted the truth.


      • mdpayne87 Sep 12, 2015 / 12:58 am

        Anderson didn’t admit to anything. He said, ‘It wasn’t a case that we were saying ‘you have to do this’ or ‘you have to prepare that.’ Just sour grapes from the Australians.


  15. ArushaTZ Sep 11, 2015 / 6:11 pm

    Great piece of fielding as it was, the Maxwell catch should’ve been not out and six.

    Law 32.3(e) and 32.4 explains it. “a catch shall be considered to be fair if (e) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air…whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.
    A catch shall not be made and a Boundary 6 shall be scored if after the ball has been struck by the bat a fielder…(ii) catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air without the conditions in 3(e) above being satisfied.
    Law 32 (Caught)

    There was a precedent in the Big Bash last season:

    Controversial catch in Big Bash

    Big Bash catch (video)

    Nasser claimed that the Law has been changed since but I see no evidence of this on the MCC Laws website.


    • ArushaTZ Sep 11, 2015 / 11:23 pm

      Ok, I feel like a right tit. The MCC did change the law but didn’t update the Law 32 page, instead deciding to hide the change away on a separate page.

      Law 32 changes

      So it was a fair catch.


  16. Arron Wright Sep 11, 2015 / 7:13 pm

    Any pieces planned for tomorrow at all, Dmitri?




    • BoerInAustria Sep 11, 2015 / 10:56 pm



      • Arron Wright Sep 12, 2015 / 7:18 pm

        He tweeted about it today.

        Responses included:

        “Putting yourself above the team”
        “No I in team”
        “Isn’t that a bit self-aggrandising? It’s for others, not you, to remind us.”


  17. Rohan Sep 11, 2015 / 10:58 pm

    I have to be honest, the U.S. Open has taken more of my attention than this series. That said, I like the one day team under Morgan and wish them well. The leadership of Morgan could not provide a more greater contrast to that of Cook, if your tried………I like the guidance of Morgan, but Cook – Meh…….


  18. Rooto Sep 12, 2015 / 5:00 am

    Just occurred to me (hope I haven’t misremembered) that we’ve played 10 matches against Australia so far and the score is:
    London and Home Counties, played 4, lost 4.
    Wales, Midlands and North, played 6, won 6.


  19. SimonH Sep 12, 2015 / 8:25 am

    From Newman’s match report:

    “Now England have the chance in Manchester to end this resurgent summer on the highest of notes by coming back from two down to win the 50-over series against the world one-day champions”.

    This resurgent summer consists of:
    1) Failing to win a Test series against NZ for the first time since 1999.
    2) Winning the home Ashes as England have been doing since 2005. Two Tests lost (by huge margins) in the process for the first time since 2001.
    3) Winning one ODI series and possibly about to win another when:
    i) England have won every home ODI series in the summer after a WC since 1995 except one (WI in 2007).
    ii) The opposition have lost 4/5s of their first choice bowling attack.

    England may not be going backwards but it hardly amounts to an resurgency.

    “Morgan again led from the front with his third half-century in successive matches”.

    And that was all he wrote. Try to sound a little less ecstatic if you can, Paul old chap – this gushing is just embarrassing. Who was it who did all he could to ensure Morgan wouldn’t be at the front to lead – for the heinous sin of missing a washed out ODI in Ireland? Who called Morgan “out of his depth”? Do you notice that Morgan’s resurgence coincides with the departure of the woodpecker? Who thought Moores should be retained?

    At least there’s no mention of Strauss for once….


    • metatone Sep 12, 2015 / 8:56 am

      The bait and switch of “World Champions” without acknowledging the injuries, esp. to bowler is infuriating. Still, if we do win the series, it will be because that great all-rounder Strauss took the vital wickets – caught and bowled of course – and struck the winning runs. We all know that.


    • SimonH Sep 12, 2015 / 9:05 am

      I was looking forward to hearing how many Morgan’s 92 deserved or was worth. Not that when another England captain makes a 90 (or a 40) we hear a lot about how much more it deserved or was worth. This one must have been worth nearly 150.



      • Mark Sep 12, 2015 / 10:47 am

        Yes Simon, its never “Morgan’s England” is it? And it never will be. Only the special elites and blue eyed boys are given that accolade by the ECB mouth breathers. They can’t wait for Root to take over the ODI captaincy.

        Newmans churlishness to Morgan compares to his groveling, embarrassing butt kissing of Cook. Every creaky 16 or 23 is held up as so near a Bradman master piece. Most other players would he harangued for getting out in the 90s but not Cook. The greatest 95 or the most deserving 96 of all time.

        And we all know if England win the decider tomorrow it will be Strauss’s triumph not Morgan’s.


    • Fred Sep 12, 2015 / 3:12 pm

      Been reading Ponting’s autobiography. Not really a fan of the genre, and I must say it’s pretty hard work, but there are some interesting insights you’ll get from no other source. One of his comments was that he can barely remember all the ODI’s he’s played, so how could a fan be expected to keep up? It certainly seems like Australia has sent Australia A to this ODI series, taking it as a building block to something more important.
      Ponting was talking about burn out and resting players long before KP raised it.
      So it’s maybe a bit of a tedious ODI series, but it’s important for the debutants and fringe players, and it’s part of the long term planning process. And it earns money too, which lest we forget is the main objective.
      On another matter, I really don’t like Maxwell as a cricketer, but he keeps doing things that make me stop and reconsider. He did actually play a couple of wonderful drives yesterday amongst the reverse sweeping dross, and when he took the miraculous boundary catch, he barely smiled, let alone run around like a ADD three year old which seems to be the standard now. Presumably because he knew the game was still in the balance. Good man.


    • Fred Sep 12, 2015 / 3:15 pm

      And Maxwell should have been MOTM too. He scored almost as much as Morgan, and he scored them when Australia was wobbling. In addition he bowled well and took a good wicket, and he took two extraordinary catches. Clearly MOTM.


      • Rooto Sep 12, 2015 / 5:22 pm

        Yes. Maxwell was my MOTM, and not just because I’m on the outside. Losers never get it nowadays, sadly.


      • Fred Sep 12, 2015 / 9:20 pm

        Rooto, so it shouldn’t really be called MOTM, it should be called MWDTMTHHTW (Man Who Did The Most To Help His Team Win). Less catchy but more accurate.
        The fact that I’m quibbling about the MOTM pretty well sums up this series, and this English summer.


    • BoerInAustria Sep 12, 2015 / 10:28 am

      I liked

      “it was intriguing to hear Lord’s kommandant Andrew Strauss claim a problem child’s exlusion had brought “clarity” to the classroom”


      “This observer remains part of the hung jury on clarity, trust, unity and all the other abstract, middle-management claptrap used to justify excommunication of a proven entertainer.

      It is still a mystery how one player can be disciplined, deservedly, for sending opponents uncomplimentary messages about his captain, and then sacked on the altar of everyone pulling in the same direction – but a spoof Twitter account mocking the same player, undermining the same captain’s sacrosanct ‘unity’ ethos, can be summarily dismissed.”

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    • Mark Sep 12, 2015 / 10:33 am

      Funny how Mike Walters never seems to go CWOTV. Perhaps he chooses to avoid the Sky/ECB love in? Perhaps I have just missed him when he has been on. Can’t blame him from staying well away from that circus.

      He is right about the smug Strauss and his so called “trust and clarity” management speak bullshit. Where was the trust of Struass dressing room when he let cliques form and players run fake Twitter accounts? Increasingly the word fake is what comes to mind when I hear Strauss.

      The so called non doctoring of pitches has now been exposed as not true. We did doctor the pitches. (Some people are fine with that, but don’t pretend we never do it.)

      Strauss seems to believe that trust and clarity are more important than ability. It’s horse shit. Strauss, it would appear wants bland obedience to the group think. As Arron said the other day I respected him as a batsman, but I thought he was over rated as a captain. He was allowed to take too much credit for his one dimensional captaincy above the performances of many good players.

      Let’s see how far trust and clarity will get us on flat pitches this winter. (Our batting is going to have to improve a whole lot.) Not that it matters, because English cricket has been reduced to only winning the Ashes at home every 4 years. Talk about a cushy gig for Strauss. 1 series every 4’years is all they worry about.

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  20. SimonH Sep 12, 2015 / 4:06 pm

    Pretentious gobbledygook?
    “The effort should be towards de-correlating individual performances”.

    A statement of the patently bleedin’ obvious like it’s some kind of revealed truth?
    “A good team, however, needs a blend of temperaments”.

    Were you saying this when the KP shit was hitting the fan?
    “A team needs people who can turn the tide as well as those who ride the wave”.
    “The contribution of independents is undervalued and seldom nurtured”.
    Double check.

    It’s the Essayist again.


    • metatone Sep 12, 2015 / 4:38 pm

      The Essayist cut his teeth on (to paraphrase) “There is an I in successful teams” (and he’s not wrong about that – there’s a good variety of evidence) – but he suddenly dropped all that when the KP saga came along. Now KP is safely never to return to the England team, he can revert…


    • Mark Sep 13, 2015 / 9:42 am

      Now the ECB/media complex have gone against all the so called principles they claim to support. (Blend of temprements, trust, honesty, Blah blah blah) by dumping KP, they can now prendend they suddenly have principles again.

      These people are nothing but snake oil salesman. They have no principles, and no plan. The essayist is delusional He was arguing for the playing of older players in their mid 30s last week, completely clueless to the fact one of the reasons they say KP can’t play for England is he is mid 30s.

      Stick your finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing. That’s the only system they have.


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