Ashes – 1st Test Day 2

The open thread for the second day’s play at Cardiff. England resume on 343/7 and the world is divided as to whether England or Australia are in charge. Many are pointing to the similarity between yesterday and Day 1 at Cardiff in 2009. Copious mentions of 670 or whatever it was.

So, fire away. I’m not going to be around much this evening to do an update as I’m having another birthday celebration with some friends, and on Friday I’m at a function, so we’ll see what I can do (TLG is currently not available for selection). It’s going to be make do and so forth.

The floor is yours.

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55 thoughts on “Ashes – 1st Test Day 2

  1. metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 9:12 am

    I think it’s natural caution – it’s not clear why this pitch would help Broad and Anderson more than it helped the Aussie bowlers. At which point you’d expect AU to at least match our total – and if they give away a couple less wickets, easy to see how they would get a lead.

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  2. Mark Jul 9, 2015 / 9:21 am

    We can ignore what happened last time. According to Swann on the radio yesterday he and his fellow spinner bowled like complete drains that day. Even Simon Mann would have got runs using Geoferys mothers stick of rhubarb he informed us.

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  3. SteveT Jul 9, 2015 / 9:55 am

    First session will be key. 430-450 would be very good, 350-370 not so. Can the tail wag? Although I can’t see our bowlers taking 20 wickets on the lifeless dumpling, a couple have reared up a bit and it might not be quite so easy batting last on it .

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    • metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 9:58 am

      I think Starc and Johnson will blow the tail away. Ali probably needs to go for his shots if there’s going to be any hope of getting beyond 370.

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      • SteveT Jul 9, 2015 / 10:02 am

        At least we’ve got a better fourth seamer this time! Was that 4 man attack a ‘horses for courses’ Headingley selection? It looks bloody insipid on paper!

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      • SteveT Jul 9, 2015 / 10:09 am

        Broad has just ducked into a back of a length ball from Hazelwood, and then pulled the next but one for 6!

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      • Andy Jul 9, 2015 / 10:15 am

        Broad ducking into one and getting hit on the helmet may actually be a good thing – it will show him that it doesn’t hurt and the helmet does it’s job.

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      • metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 11:04 am

        Looking like 420 – which is not bad.
        Of course, we’ll see how badly we bowl…

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      • metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 11:14 am

        430 in the end.

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      • Arron Wright Jul 9, 2015 / 11:19 am

        Aus 601-7 dec late tomorrow afternoon then Simon?

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      • SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 12:17 pm

        I’m confidently predicting Australia’s No.6 won’t make 177*.

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  4. metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 10:24 am

    Broad deserves to be out in a way because it was a terrible shot.
    But I’m not really impressed with the fielder claiming to have caught it – he scuffed it on the floor.

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  5. d'Arthez Jul 9, 2015 / 10:26 am

    Broad getting a reprieve of some sorts. The ball seemed to be caught by Voges, but on umpire’s review there was evidence that it was not caught. The crowd booing Voges, but it is impossible that he could have known.

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  6. d'Arthez Jul 9, 2015 / 10:29 am

    And shortly afterwards Moeen seems to have nicked one through, but no one really bothered to appeal.

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    • metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 10:32 am

      Yes, bizarre one there.

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  7. d'Arthez Jul 9, 2015 / 10:45 am

    Lyon comes on. First ball Broad decides to nick one through to the keeper.

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    • SteveT Jul 9, 2015 / 10:46 am

      Could have had a look for a few balls before hurling the kitchen at it. There’s an established batsman at the other end.

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  8. d'Arthez Jul 9, 2015 / 11:14 am

    England all out for 430. Starc has taken 5.

    I have seen nothing in this pitch to suggest that 430 is significantly above par.

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  9. Grenville Jul 9, 2015 / 11:24 am

    England have done well to reach 430. It should mean they avoid losing. However, I still stand by my prediction yesterday. This is probably below par. The pitch seems very slow. I can’t see England taking 10 wickets for much less than 430. If there is any life at the other grounds, England will struggle against the Aussie attack. Still they fought back and that is impressive.

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  10. metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 12:24 pm

    Nothing in the opening overs before lunch to suggest that the England bowlers can put Australia into difficulty…

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  11. d'Arthez Jul 9, 2015 / 12:51 pm

    Warner survives Kumar Dharmasena giving him lbw. He goes for the review, and survives. Mind you, the ball pitched quite a bit outside of leg. How he gave that is a bit beyond me.

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    • Arron Wright Jul 9, 2015 / 12:55 pm

      Good lord, just seen a still – Katich Trent Bridge 05 standard umpiring there.

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  12. SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 12:55 pm

    James Faulkner has scored a fifty and taken a five-for (including Bopara, Ryder, ten Doeschate and Foster) in the CC.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him drafted in to the Australian squad at some stage. I was surprised he was left out originally.

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    • Andy Jul 9, 2015 / 2:23 pm

      I believe Faulkner was dropped from the squad due to being nicked for Drink Driving.

      The Aus management talked about potentially dropping him for the tour as punishment, but said it was between 2 & 8 points (from memory). I assume this is some aus policy of X many points for A/B/C breach of discipline.

      Don’t know if it’s been announced but they didn’t seem like they would give him leeway from the way they were talking.

      As it’s drink driving I hope they don’t ‘let him off’ with a lower point score just to get him available

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  13. amit Jul 9, 2015 / 1:41 pm

    The bounce seems to be getting better on the pitch. Should be an interesting second innings.

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  14. Larry David Niven Jul 9, 2015 / 1:57 pm

    I now expect Selvey or Newman to refer to the captain’s balls of steel following Cook’s incident this afternoon.

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    • amit Jul 9, 2015 / 2:12 pm

      he needs to have some for that.

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  15. Arron Wright Jul 9, 2015 / 2:08 pm

    Moeen goes for thirteen off one over.

    Will new dynamic captain Cook treat him the way Morgan treated Rashid in a recent ODI….?

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    • SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 2:29 pm

      Smith caught by Cook in a funky fielding position off Ali.

      Think I might give Selvey a miss tonight.

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  16. SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 2:11 pm

    Rogers become the 5th batsman to make seven consecutive Test fifties. The idea that he could be written off because he’s announced he’s retiring at the end of the series turns out to be total nonsense. How surprising – I expected he’d go out there slogging while whistling ‘yankie doodle’ instead of playing like the model professional he’s always been.

    Meanwhile, the expected Smith onslaught against Ali is happening.

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    • Arron Wright Jul 9, 2015 / 2:15 pm

      “How would you feel if it were England who had a 37 year-old opening the batting?”

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      • d'Arthez Jul 9, 2015 / 2:37 pm

        I would feel despair. Are the ECB going to stick with Cook THAT long?

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  17. metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 2:36 pm

    Australia just cruising along. It seems we don’t really have much to trouble them.

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    • metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 2:38 pm

      I tell a lie, it seems they did find a way to get Smith.

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  18. metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 5:34 pm

    264/5 at stumps.

    Of course things can still go any way, but I have to credit England’s bowlers, they’ve done better than I expected so far.

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  19. escort Jul 9, 2015 / 5:40 pm

    Nasser has just said on Sky that the fans today have had their moneys worth. 4 overs have not been bowled today and that is after the extra half hour.

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  20. SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 5:54 pm

    Pretty poor from the Aussie middle order to all get out in the 30s on that pitch. Trying to smash Ali backfired – perhaps they should look to Watson or Haddin to take that role so if it doesn’t work they don’t lose a front-line batsman.

    England’s field placings have definitely out-funked Australia so far. Clarke only really had any ideas for Cook – for the newer England players he didn’t seem to have devised any particular plans. England’s fields seemed to adjust better to the slowness of the wicket. Perhaps Cook has finally learnt?

    Before the series started, many felt how England would get through the Australian lower order would be crucial. First look at that tomorrow.

    Bad weather forecast at the moment for Sunday.

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  21. dvyk Jul 9, 2015 / 6:35 pm

    Didn’t see any of it, but it sounds like this current trend of “hitting the spinner right out of the series” probably needs a rethink — for both sides.

    Maybe the weather will save Aust, but I doubt it.

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  22. SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 7:40 pm

    Guardian thread worth reading if hectoring posts demanding apologies for criticising Cook in the past are what is needed in your life right now.

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    • Mark Jul 9, 2015 / 8:38 pm

      He scored 20, whats to apologise for?

      As for his captaincy. England have wasted 2 year on him.

      Nope, nothing to appologise for.

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    • metatone Jul 9, 2015 / 9:32 pm

      It’s the bizarre over-optimism I can’t stand.
      If the Aussie tail wags (and Haddin has done it before) they’ll be on level terms.
      If we bowl well, that won’t happen, but bowling well at the tail is our recognised weakness.

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      • Pontiac Jul 9, 2015 / 10:15 pm

        I’m just saying, don’t underestimate Lyon, 94 short of his first ton….

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      • d'Arthez Jul 10, 2015 / 5:59 am

        Yeah, England lost their 5th wicket at 280 (Root). Australia are 5 down with 264 now on the board. Really not that massive a difference. And the Australia lower order can bat too. All the idiocy pretending that this is already a match winning advantage is just that. Idiocy.

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    • Zephirine Jul 9, 2015 / 9:54 pm

      Every thread on the G now has to have the obligatory sanctimonious utterance about how hideously unpleasant it’s been BTL over the last eighteen months and how the smugs have had to suffer from the polluting presence of all those mean nasty ugly people with their hateful abuse of the noble captain and the fine administrators. Apparently it was better ‘in the good old days’. My good old days on those threads were before the smug brigade ever arrived.

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      • LordCanisLupus Jul 9, 2015 / 9:59 pm

        Can they at least wait until we win the series. We’ve been through Grenada. We’ve been through Lord’s. Have they not learned a damn thing?

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      • Arron Wright Jul 9, 2015 / 10:08 pm

        Tony Blair will soon be asking wctt for tips on how to become more self-righteous.

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      • Zephirine Jul 9, 2015 / 10:33 pm

        Excellent riposte there, Arron.

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      • SimonH Jul 10, 2015 / 7:39 am

        LCL, not even the whole series – I’d settle for two Tests. How many have noticed that England have lost the second Test in four of the last five series? The one where they didn’t lose, they then lost the third.

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      • SimonH Jul 10, 2015 / 8:08 am

        A Guardian cricket thread with a ‘Guardian pick’ comment! Didn’t know they still existed…..

        It isn’t Selvey.

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  23. SimonH Jul 9, 2015 / 8:59 pm

    Can Newman hang on to his senses after a couple of good days for England?

    “Moeen, the top order batsman who finds himself at No 8 in this talent-packed England line-up and again needing to prove that his bowling can fill the massive void left by Graeme Swann.
    Memories can be short and it has not taken long for some to forget that Moeen took 19 Test wickets against India last summer while also hitting a century of rare class against Sri Lanka”.

    Newman’s long memory can’t remember that this “talent-packed” side has won just one of its last five series and lost two of its last three Tests. It might be talent-packed but can we show a little more patience? Batting Ali at No.8 might be a stroke of genius – or it might be a sign of an unbalanced team.

    “Alastair Cook shrewdly marshalled his resources and put into practice his promise to be more bold and pro-active”.

    Cook had one of his better days and I’ve given him credit earlier – but some recognition that boldness and pro-activity are easier when there are 400+ runs on the board would also be welcome (as would the acknowledgement it’s about 20 Tests too late but we’re never going to get that).

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    • Mark Jul 9, 2015 / 9:45 pm

      For 2 years Newman and Selvey have been feather bedding Cook, and making constant excuses for his crap captaincy. Now suddenly a new coach has come in with a giant boot up the backside and demanded a more positive approach.

      What a pity Newman and Selvey (so called cricket writers) were not demanding the changes we needed. Instead they propped up a poor captain. Prefering to dine with him instead of encouraging a change of attitude.

      Cook is finally playing for his place as captain. Long over due. No thanks to the cranks and weirdos who play at being so called experts.

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  24. Rohan Jul 9, 2015 / 9:30 pm

    Is this team Cook’s anymore? They certainly have not played like his team. After the ODI series, perhaps this team now plays for and marches to the tune of Farbrace and Bayliss. Maybe the influence of captain Cock and the twins (Broad and Anderson) is waning.

    I am feeling positive, not sure why, but I can see something, test wise, might be emerging from the clutches of Cook and the ECB and the disaster and wreckage of the past 18 months. I am not, however, anywhere near convinced yet, so will reserve full judgement until the end of the series.

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    • Zephirine Jul 9, 2015 / 10:00 pm

      I feel that the combined presence of Root, Stokes and Buttler has made a real difference to team attitude, plus Ali who is refreshing in a different way. There seems to have been a tipping point.

      And Root in particular is doing what Cook the batsman so signally failed to do for so long, back up his authority in the side with hefty runs. He’s making life a lot easier for Cook the captain.

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  25. Tybalt Jul 10, 2015 / 1:59 am

    Leaving out the leggie, I don’t know… it still looks like a mistake. Moeen can bat in the top five and give you three all-rounders and a good no 8 in Rashid, a massive number of good bowling options. Perhaps that’s more of a desperate move than England need. Pretty decent side here despite some grim recent top-order results…

    I didn’t think Cook did badly today. Very Cookish though. Sticking to game plans. Broad’s still got a role to play… nail Haddin with the new ball.

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