Shooting, setting them alight, all would help to cleanse the ECB.
Even though of course such a thing is completely unlawful, I would not be surprised that a few people are actually wishing that upon the ECB upper echelons. They have abused the supporters – their lifeblood – in the most agonizing manner.
I am not even an England supporter, but if England want to become competitive again, they have to get rid of the lot of them. The only way that is possible is by means of absolutely appalling results. It took India winning at Lord’s before the first murmurs of discontent became audible in the mainstream press. That is only because the results were pathetic, and not even because the method of play was pathetic.
In the 1980s, Cook probably would not even have survived his post-Ashes press gaffes. Let alone the Sri Lanka Test series. History is constantly rewritten by the ECB, just to hang on to their jobs. Any half-decent result will result in that here as well. And in the long run, that would be even worse for English cricket.
I expect a grand total of one change in the playing XI. And expect it to be completely illogical.
…………. then he’s going to put them in the stocks on the high street whereupon allcomers, insiders and outsiders, can throw red and white balls at them for ever … I’d have Flower in there too.. nice!!:0)
Please, pretty please, tell me this will be the final nail in the coffin for Downton, Saker, Moores, Whittaker and the rest? I mean hells bells, no change in the team. Are they completely mad? Just unbelievable. I wouldn’t trust this lot to make the tea, let alone pick a team of winners. Unbelievable!
They can do just the same for Hales: bring in a guy who hasn’t really played since maybe early January (then only a couple of brief T20 knocks – then anything less than a match-winning innings becomes “Told you we were right not to pick Hales”
I’m amazingly calm about tonight. I fancy England will get the result, and if they don’t , well, they got what they deserved. Before the tournament started we all knew it had been fixed so as to insure the top 8 teams make the final stages. We knew that all England had to do was beat the minnows.They could lose all the other matches. But deep down we hoped they would win some of the matches against the better sides. We failed!
So we now find ourselves in a must win match against a minnow. It’s what we all feared, but thought, no , it can’t be as bad as this. If the Rule Britannia people want to celebrate a win in this match as proof we are improving then so be it. I have some swamp land I would like to sell them as prime real estate. If we lose, I won’t be celebrating. Because failure does not seem to bring change. the ECB is run like a country club. If your face fits, then it does not matter how you perform.
You only have to see how the pod people and their media courtiers have pushed back against Graves. All he was saying was the bleeding obvious. That the the best players should play if they are in form. But England have ventured so far off the reservation that this normal practice has become controversial.
Agree completely with that. Was in the pub Tuesday just gone and a friend and I were havng a heated discussion about the ashes whitewash in Aus and KP. Friend thought KP was probably a plonker and had had his time, I made my anger at the way he was dismissed clear, we could not agree…….we did, however, both agree that Swann’s retirement mid tour was disgraceful. We both felt he was let off very lightly by the media and general public. We both felt what he did was worse than anything KP might or might not have done. We both felt he badly let the team down and his actions probably eroded and undermined any spirit or confidence left in he team completely and utterly. Finally, we were both flabbergasted that he walked straight into open arms and a cushy number at TMS. We are both still in amazement at his ‘easy ride’ to this day and despise his attitude and appalling humour and radio persona……….
As we mentioned the other day, Swann thinking Test match tickets cost about £20 tells you all you need to know about him. When he played I couldn’t care less what his personality was, he’s there to take wickets. On the radio it’s a bit different. And he’s still being paid by us.
And in that one comment Swann reveals everything wrong with English cricket. How old is he 5?
Rumours are Hales will play. Hales should have been in the team over a year ago instead of Cook. But in England we leave it until a must win match to change. Moores management style seems to be a cross between laptop theory and blind panic.
So on 2 of the last 3 occasions Bangladesh have beaten us. What odds on the making 3 out of 4, quite good I would have thought……..
We can all see the team needs changing, we all know the performances of some players have necessitated this, however, I have heard that Perer Moores’s laptop says no……..
If that happens, it may influence the ICC to even further stack the odds against lesser teams for the next World Cups, though I am struggling to come up with good ideas that would actually protect the big shots against these pesky upstarts.
England won toss and bowl. Morgan gave possibility of both swing and showers as the reasons while saying the pitch looked good. Bangladesh would have batted so toss made no difference. Very short boundary on one side (54m).
Hales (batting at No. 3) and Jordan in for Ballance and Finn.
Nasser mentioned weather forecast poor for last match (Afghanistan in Sydney). If England win here and Bangladesh lose last match against NZ it goes to NRR (currently +0.182 to -1.201).
Kayes gone in first over caught at third slip. Tamim dropped in same place in second over (not easy). Tamin caught in next over anyway to one that swung.
The good omens:
England have made 300 in their last two innings.
Bangladesh went for 300+ against Scotland.
England have pulled off two recent successful run chases in the Tri-series against India and had two more in SL.
The bad omens:
Sides batting first in D/N games at Adelaide win 2/3s of the time (21 wins out of 35). Pitch said to slow up under lights.
England have only one higher run chase in WCs against a test-playing nation (WI in 2007).
Every comm reckoned Bangladesh would open with spin. They’ve opened with Mortaza and Rubel.
Rubel’s bowling at 145 kph. His first over conceded ten but included an edge through second slip for four and an LBW overturned on review for pitching just outside leg (both against Ali).
Morning all. In the circumstances I thought England did ok to restrict Bangladesh to 275. Even so I do remember a middle period from about the 25th or so over to the 31st/32nd where the likes of Broad and Woakes and Jordan STILL overdid the shorter pitched delivery rather than try and take wickets pitching the ball up. A class last over from Jordan has given England a reasonable chance but like many of you I’m still nervous about us falling flat on our faces against the spinners. I’m not able to see the reply so can only follow on cricinfo.
Root and Taylor in, heading for over 30.
The match will largely be won or lost in the next 10 overs, I reckon.
Looking at the worm, from here Bangladesh gently accelerated all the way to the end of their innings.
With Root & Taylor and Buttler to come, this should be easily matched by England.
But you can just see 10 overs of “consolidation” creating a dangerous pressure for England.
So mindset will be key.
Simon/anyone – was Broad unlucky against Sri Lanka? Because shortly after I got up, I heard Agnew state that Stuart Broad “didn’t have the pace and rhythm he had a week ago”. I looked up his figures v SL and they were 10-1-67-0.
Actually, I think Taylor will be the scapegoat.
We often pick on someone who plays a nothing shot.
And it was a rubbish shot.
But this will be (unless Buttler saves us) a collective failure, IMO.
I quite like Bell’s knock. It wasn’t world beating, but it was a good start and England are definitely not ‘behind the rate’ or anything like that, with half the runs ticked off. Morgan’s failure is, again, a failure. Over to Root, Taylor and Buttler…
I actually went to a hotel here so I could use their wi-fi to watch the game live. England currently chasing 276 and are currently 136-5. This is a horror show. They might still win if Root and Butler sort things out, but this is a disgrace.
I thought Jordon bowled well at the death. That’s about the only positive thing I’m currently taking away from this so far. I hope Butler stays around long enough to win it.
Less than 100 from the last ten overs. Against Bangladesh, who have just bowled out their best bowler.
A decent team would feel they had a chance.
England? Well, they could still win. In the sense that I still could have a Test career ahead of me. What with not being dead yet.
Did you go to the right school? Do you shop at Waitrose? Can you ECB speak without deviation? Oh…one other thing – can you play a bit (to an old plan)?
No Test career for me then. Ordinary comprehensive school in a small town in rural Norfolk. Say what I think, mostly. I have been known to have the occasional coffee in a Waitrose cafe. . . but that wouldn’t count enough would it?
David Wolfe, from South Africa, is one of a number of international cricket fans that hope England tank. And for good reason, to be fair:
“There are quite a number of people here who hope England leaves the World Cup as soon as possible. They are really angry that England, Australia and India has conspired to leave out SA, NZ, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc and push their own interests with the ICC. Australia and India are tough but people here are celebrating England’s disastrous showing.”
Lowest ever point in English cricket? The 5-0 this winter was bad but it was unexpected. This debacle has been coming for a while. A train wreck created purely by the stubbornness of those driving the train in refusing to heed the signals.
We sacrificed and ashes for this load of tripe. Will those in charge do the honourable thing? Will they hell.
Dear inside cricket, we fucking told you so. Love outside cricket
— AndyinBrum gratefull im not PayPalPatine (@AndyinBrum) March 9, 2015
Can I just make it clear in case certain people are reading? I am not mocking the players, many of whom I like a lot. This is for the sick people in charge of English cricket, and even more than that, the utterly despicable, unconscionably arrogant and short-sighted power grab partly instigated and fully supported by the wretched, wretched Giles Clarke (new ECB president). I *cannot* support an England team that represents people like that rather than fans like me. Can’t do it. Sue me.
Hundred percent behind that. Never in the 90s, not even during the Dexter/Gower/Gatting business of 92/93, or a 3-1 defeat against the likes of Clayton Lambert and Philo Wallace in 1998, did I want England to lose, or feel this disenfranchised by the set-up.
Morgan reputedly said (from Cricinfo):
“Again, the changes we made at the start of the tournament were necessary. The two again we made today were also necessary. We had gone four games into the group stages without the results we wanted. It ultimately comes down to the performance, and some of them [players] did, but not all of us as a unit.”
It was necessary to bat Ballance at three? No one has offered England supporters a reasonably convincing argument why Ballance even had to come into the team last minute in the first place. But to even go as far as to suggest it was necessary?
Atherton claimed post-match that England don’t use stats that much – or don’t use them as much as in the Flower/Strauss era anyway. He said it is because they are concerned they would confuse all the new, younger players.
I’m not saying I agree with that but Atherton’s opinion is worth being aware of.
lessons learned, positives taken Team ECB are crap
roll over downton, clarke, whittaker, moores, flower, cook, morgan – goodbye, goodbye, it’s time for you to go outside cicket, enjoy, so long it’s not been good to know ya!!!!!!!!!
According to some me and my ilk will be happy. Because we’ve been proved right. Funnily enough happiness isn’t an emotion I am feeling right now. Rage. That’s more like it.
According to Moores ‘at some point we’re going to have to look at our approach to ODI cricket’ – I’m sorry, wasn’t that over the last year when we are getting ready for a World Cup?
If Moores “takes it on the chin” much more he’ll be unconscious. Which might be a blessing.
Like many others here, I’ve never been able to bring myself to want England to lose. But right now they don’t deserve to win, and after 30 years, I can’t call myself a “supporter” of English cricket right now.
The response from Ben Mitchell is exactly what I was going to write…
I cannot believe how many of the press pack were advocating the return of this man. Only politics could explain it: there were no cricketing reasons that bore objective scrutiny.
He is the perfect ECB stooge. Full of management speak, the only thing he didn’t do just now was ‘take the positives’ out of the result. Lost to Sri Lanka, lost every ODI series, crashed out of a world cup designed to allow us to qualify, won a test series against a side that gave up, his record is appalling but I imagine he will limp on through the summer whilst a ‘root and branch’ review takes place.
Was it not you who pointed out that some WW1 generals got a lot of undeserved flak for the tactics in that conflict? At this rate, they will end up rehabilitated, by simply comparing them to the stupidity surrounding the ECB.
Oh bugger! Time to dump that bloody computer as it’s up the creek without its paddle. It’s no good getting trying to get a stat from an Amstrad!!!
I cannot believe that quote from Moores. Oh he just has to be joking surely. Gee whizz we really are in one hell of a mess. One good thing to come out of this. And yes there is one thing. That is that the youngsters really have done well and really put on a fight here. It seems to be that the senior players have lost the plot. My question to all you knowledgable chaps is: Have these players had their talent stolen from them by awful coaches and plans, plans, simple plans and stats and more plans? The constant diatribe from management? The politicking? What is it that has seemingly destroyed Morgan? It just seems a tragedy.
Surely this is the end of Downton, Saker, Moores, Flower, Whittaker? How can they be allowed anymore time with our team. Surely they need new blood at the ECB who can bring on the youngsters?
On a lighter note! Possibly.
THIS!
Aussies lap it up
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Talkback radio station 3AW in Melbourne: “JUST IN! Bangladesh has avoided embarrassment, holding off a brave challenge from World Cup minnow England by 15 runs in Adelaide.”
Gower tried to claim there aren’t any other “serious candidates” to replace Moores – well done David Lloyd for not letting him get away with that and bringing up Moody, Gillespie and John Wright.
The post-match discussion on Sky (except Nasser) is so depressingly wretched I won’t relate any more.
Okay, here’s one that’s got me spitting blood – Rob Key reckoned that Bangladesh’s attack is worse than a county championship side. This combination of shiteness and yet still stunning smugness and condescension is just so attractive…..
Rubel Hossain bowled at 146 kph. Find that every day in the CC! Shakib has 185 ODI wickets at 28.5 and an ER of 4.3. Can’t move in the CC for spinners who could manage that!
Gower has mentioned they “hope to hear from Paul Downton” in the Verdict – I’ll pass that on if it transpires although he’ll probably send a young player on instead.
So England got bowled out by an attack that is worse than any county side? Key is implying here that can’t even get a Playing XI on the field that can last the 50 overs against a county side?
“Rob Key reckoned that Bangladesh’s attack is worse than a county championship side.”
I suppose this is what you get when your board, press and broadcasters are assiduously pretending that the home defeats to the “county attack” of Sri Lanka did not happen.
Every time I feel slightly guilty about my feelings towards England, someone turns up to confirm my rationale is sound.
Because losing at home in all formats to Sri Lanka less than a year ago, and being handily beaten by them in a return series is to be ignored because we’ll beat them on neutral territory. The sooner we get over this superiority complex, the better.
Rob Key sets the bar low but can Dominic Cork limbo below it? You know he can…..
“Today showed that 70 mph seamers have a future in international cricket”. Perhaps he meant Rubel because he thinks 146 kph converts to 70 mph? Or perhaps he meant Mortaza who was bowling through a serious knee injury and took crucial wickets? Or perhaps he meant 19 year old Taskin bowling death overs when English players in their late 20s with 100+ List A games are routinely described as “inexperienced”?
Also, guess what his idea was for England to take more wickets in the middle overs? Bowl more bouncers of course. Is there any cricketing problem Dominic Cork thinks can’t be solved by bowling more bouncers? Strangely, I can’t remember Mahmudullah looking in any trouble against the short ball or the Bangladesh bowlers bowling many bouncers (except the one that got Morgan).
I’m sure he did – because Downton has been operating under the self-imposed constraint that the coach has to be English.
In case anyone thinks this has anything to do with patriotism, it has more to do with the ECB’s desperation to prove that the millions they’ve poured down the drain on coaching schemes wasn’t money wasted.
Time for that George Dobell quote on donkey sanctuaries in Norfolk again!
“Bangladesh can now look forward to a quarter-final match at the MCG against India, the point that they gained from their washed out match against Australia in Brisbane proving vital.”
If Eng beat Afg and NZ beat Ban it’s still 7-4: a Ban defeat to Aus would only have made it 6-4. Today’s game was vital, no point clouding the issue by even suggesting that the washout played a part in England going out.
6 recs in 10 minutes on page 7 of the thread! Worth breaking my boycott for: it was irritating me because most of the article is perfectly fair.
(However, I don’t remember “dark, dark day” being used in 2013/14, but that’s a discussion for another time… pretty straightforward to explain though, I would suggest)
Hales gave a glimpse of what could have been if he had more time playing (he might not, some things we will never know, but he seemed better than ballance appeared)
Buttler showed why he is better than trying for 20 runs off 10 balls, give him time and he can get runs. If we had him higher up the order & he was not the ‘last hope’ then who knows what he could achieve
Woakes – here you go, prepare with the new ball, then never get it in the main matches
Finn – feel sorry he was dropped as he has most wickets, but he appears to have been broken by England.
Tredwell – why did they take him? could have provided some control (or at least variation to the right arm, med/fast that we have)
I didn’t want england to loose, but I’m glad they have (ergh – can’t believe I’m saying that!)
Just what I said. Maybe if they had got him and other youngsters in the team from the get go at least we might have seen what these guys could do. Of course we have to factor in the Moores element. I expect he bores them all to death. No wonder Root goes off the “reservation” and won’t buckle down. Who can blame him. They must all be sick to death of the management. Someone is going to blow sooner rather than later. All the crap of the past 14months will be spewed out.
The ECB certainly has been responsible for the destruction of players confidence – started under Flower and ends up under Moores.
“They made two changes to the team, with Hales and Jordan replacing Gary Ballance and Steven Finn, a move that simply had to happen.”
So, either Selvey is implying that he wrote nonsense about Finn after the Scotland game, or you’re supposed to drop players when they are in the form of their lives? Same applies to other papers, and their cricket correspondents. There are a few exceptions, but still.
I fear there is more nonsense to come.
The Guardian is actually paying someone to come up with such brilliant analysis? They could reduce costs significantly by asking random fans to write about the game(s) involved. At least honest admissions of “I could not bear to watch England bowl, expecting the usual tripe served up, and was pleasantly surprised to see that Jimmy Anderson took out both openers, for the first time since eons (link in a statsguru reference to occasions where that happened). Then again, I suppose that persistent bouts of insanity may appear to have the occasional reward …”
That would not be professional journalism, but I do feel that it would be a considerable improvement.
I’ve written a stinker to the Guardian about what the moderators have been doing over all this time. Utterly disgusting and deplorable load of nonsense.
I wonder what Steve Brenkley will come out with next. Thing is he said that Moores was sticking with the same team? Well his link to the ECB is definitely iffy. Probably him starting to speak up about England has taken the shine off the relationship of the inner circle.
“Wow, 800 comments already. I was going to suggest a game of ‘I blame …..’ but I see you have already started.
I’ll go with a game of ‘bring back’ instead and I’ll start with …….. Flower, Cook and Bresnan.
OK your turn ..”
Those who refuse to say a bad word about those who sacked their enemy will reside in “I don’t care about ODIs Street”. We’ll be forced to watch this lot collapse in a heap in the Ashes to convince them we may have had a smidgen of a point. I give up.
Guardian veterans will know that kpateldf24 needs no introduction.
Well, he’s at it again:
“Australia’s test team isn’t the best in swinging English conditions, they lost the last away Ashes 3-0 lest we forget. Everyone has made so much noise over the 5-0 that they forgot the 3-0.
Their top order doesn’t inspire much confidence in tests, Michael Clarke notwithstanding.”
Do you think that, if he tries really hard, he might be able to come up with some reasons why the 2013 Ashes is about as relevant to today as Robin #Thicke?
Being Outside Cricket 
Downton, Moores, Whitaker…. – oh wait you didn’t mean that type of fire.
Graves is going to keep them in place for the Ashes. That will be his mandate for change and they will be his cover for Ashes failure.
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Shooting, setting them alight, all would help to cleanse the ECB.
Even though of course such a thing is completely unlawful, I would not be surprised that a few people are actually wishing that upon the ECB upper echelons. They have abused the supporters – their lifeblood – in the most agonizing manner.
I am not even an England supporter, but if England want to become competitive again, they have to get rid of the lot of them. The only way that is possible is by means of absolutely appalling results. It took India winning at Lord’s before the first murmurs of discontent became audible in the mainstream press. That is only because the results were pathetic, and not even because the method of play was pathetic.
In the 1980s, Cook probably would not even have survived his post-Ashes press gaffes. Let alone the Sri Lanka Test series. History is constantly rewritten by the ECB, just to hang on to their jobs. Any half-decent result will result in that here as well. And in the long run, that would be even worse for English cricket.
I expect a grand total of one change in the playing XI. And expect it to be completely illogical.
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…………. then he’s going to put them in the stocks on the high street whereupon allcomers, insiders and outsiders, can throw red and white balls at them for ever … I’d have Flower in there too.. nice!!:0)
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Good preview piece on tonight’s opposition:
http://goo.gl/MJLV1M
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Please, pretty please, tell me this will be the final nail in the coffin for Downton, Saker, Moores, Whittaker and the rest? I mean hells bells, no change in the team. Are they completely mad? Just unbelievable. I wouldn’t trust this lot to make the tea, let alone pick a team of winners. Unbelievable!
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Annie, I think you a being a little unfair here. Of course they could make the tea it’s just that they wouldn’t be able to deliver …..
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I reckon they wouldn’t be able to run the tap, they can’t run anything else
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To be honest, if they name an unchanged side I will more see that as a way of them being able to blame Ballance if it all goes wrong.
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They can do just the same for Hales: bring in a guy who hasn’t really played since maybe early January (then only a couple of brief T20 knocks – then anything less than a match-winning innings becomes “Told you we were right not to pick Hales”
Heads, I win; tails, go and f*** yourselves.
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I’m amazingly calm about tonight. I fancy England will get the result, and if they don’t , well, they got what they deserved. Before the tournament started we all knew it had been fixed so as to insure the top 8 teams make the final stages. We knew that all England had to do was beat the minnows.They could lose all the other matches. But deep down we hoped they would win some of the matches against the better sides. We failed!
So we now find ourselves in a must win match against a minnow. It’s what we all feared, but thought, no , it can’t be as bad as this. If the Rule Britannia people want to celebrate a win in this match as proof we are improving then so be it. I have some swamp land I would like to sell them as prime real estate. If we lose, I won’t be celebrating. Because failure does not seem to bring change. the ECB is run like a country club. If your face fits, then it does not matter how you perform.
You only have to see how the pod people and their media courtiers have pushed back against Graves. All he was saying was the bleeding obvious. That the the best players should play if they are in form. But England have ventured so far off the reservation that this normal practice has become controversial.
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I see Swann has said that if England beat Bangladesh convincingly they will “shut up a few doubters”.
No doubt if they also beat Afghanistan convincingly the last 18 months didn’t even happen.
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Just as cook’s 95 did eh? Annoying gobshite is Swann.
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Agree completely with that. Was in the pub Tuesday just gone and a friend and I were havng a heated discussion about the ashes whitewash in Aus and KP. Friend thought KP was probably a plonker and had had his time, I made my anger at the way he was dismissed clear, we could not agree…….we did, however, both agree that Swann’s retirement mid tour was disgraceful. We both felt he was let off very lightly by the media and general public. We both felt what he did was worse than anything KP might or might not have done. We both felt he badly let the team down and his actions probably eroded and undermined any spirit or confidence left in he team completely and utterly. Finally, we were both flabbergasted that he walked straight into open arms and a cushy number at TMS. We are both still in amazement at his ‘easy ride’ to this day and despise his attitude and appalling humour and radio persona……….
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As we mentioned the other day, Swann thinking Test match tickets cost about £20 tells you all you need to know about him. When he played I couldn’t care less what his personality was, he’s there to take wickets. On the radio it’s a bit different. And he’s still being paid by us.
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And in that one comment Swann reveals everything wrong with English cricket. How old is he 5?
Rumours are Hales will play. Hales should have been in the team over a year ago instead of Cook. But in England we leave it until a must win match to change. Moores management style seems to be a cross between laptop theory and blind panic.
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So on 2 of the last 3 occasions Bangladesh have beaten us. What odds on the making 3 out of 4, quite good I would have thought……..
We can all see the team needs changing, we all know the performances of some players have necessitated this, however, I have heard that Perer Moores’s laptop says no……..
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The rain may yet save us….
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No doubt if the game is rained off the management meme will be that the weather has denied England a glorious triumph.
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If that happens, it may influence the ICC to even further stack the odds against lesser teams for the next World Cups, though I am struggling to come up with good ideas that would actually protect the big shots against these pesky upstarts.
Pre-quarter finals qualification rounds anyone?
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Hales in for Ballance. Presumably to bat at #3.
Finn makes way for Jordan.
England won the toss, and bowl first.
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England won toss and bowl. Morgan gave possibility of both swing and showers as the reasons while saying the pitch looked good. Bangladesh would have batted so toss made no difference. Very short boundary on one side (54m).
Hales (batting at No. 3) and Jordan in for Ballance and Finn.
Nasser mentioned weather forecast poor for last match (Afghanistan in Sydney). If England win here and Bangladesh lose last match against NZ it goes to NRR (currently +0.182 to -1.201).
Kayes gone in first over caught at third slip. Tamim dropped in same place in second over (not easy). Tamin caught in next over anyway to one that swung.
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Three slips is good to see but finding third slip by having no third man……? Two fours gone there already.
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First ten over score 32-2. Pitch map:
Full 22%
Good 64%
Short 14%
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Jordan looking tense/rusty/both. Two wides in his first over, 15 runs off his second.
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50 partnership off 68. No swing for a while and ball coming on nicely. Nasser reckons 300 is par.
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Overs 11-15 pitch map:
Good 36%
Short 36%
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Sarkar gone gloving a bouncer. Jordan’s pace suddenly 10 kph quicker.
And Shakib caught! Ali turned one and taken by Root at slip.
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Halfway: 111-4.
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Speed gun readings so far –
Fastest: Jordan (145)
Slowest: Broad (140)
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35 overs: 160-4.
Nasser: “They can’t afford to go too hard in this Power Play”. Mahmudullah backs away to the first ball and whacks Broad over extra cover for four!
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37 off the Batting PP. Very good 38th over from Jordan with reverse swinging yorkers.
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Mahmudullah’s first ODI century and Bangladesh’s first in the WC.
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The good omens:
England have made 300 in their last two innings.
Bangladesh went for 300+ against Scotland.
England have pulled off two recent successful run chases in the Tri-series against India and had two more in SL.
The bad omens:
Sides batting first in D/N games at Adelaide win 2/3s of the time (21 wins out of 35). Pitch said to slow up under lights.
England have only one higher run chase in WCs against a test-playing nation (WI in 2007).
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The slowing of the pitch might be key. Especially against spin. It’s all about the start I feel, if England lose a couple early, then big trouble.
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Well this is going to be a pretty competitive score. Not New Zealand/Australia competitive, but definitely England competitive.
I have a feeling of impending doom. Which may be just because I’m do damn used to it.
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That tweet sums up my thoughts. I haven’t looked yet at any of the England innings…
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As it turned out, I can hardly remember a single sweep shot!
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So when they were put in, Bangladesh said they wanted 275, and they’ve got exactly 275. Reads it like a book that man.
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https://twitter.com/TheCricketGeek/status/574793736783314944
https://twitter.com/TheCricketGeek/status/574797517579223041
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Every comm reckoned Bangladesh would open with spin. They’ve opened with Mortaza and Rubel.
Rubel’s bowling at 145 kph. His first over conceded ten but included an edge through second slip for four and an LBW overturned on review for pitching just outside leg (both against Ali).
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That in itself should be pretty damning of the coaching setup.
Our fastest bowler on the day bowls as fast as Rubel?
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Ok, so I’ve taken a look now.
31-0 off 6.1 overs.
I think England will probably cruise to victory from here.
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The inevitable comedy-catastrophe run out! One comm blames Bell and the other blames Ali.
Win for us from here Halesy.
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Who do you reckon newman blamed, Simon?
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Pietersen?
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Morning all. In the circumstances I thought England did ok to restrict Bangladesh to 275. Even so I do remember a middle period from about the 25th or so over to the 31st/32nd where the likes of Broad and Woakes and Jordan STILL overdid the shorter pitched delivery rather than try and take wickets pitching the ball up. A class last over from Jordan has given England a reasonable chance but like many of you I’m still nervous about us falling flat on our faces against the spinners. I’m not able to see the reply so can only follow on cricinfo.
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Hales 27 (34)
Ballance in four innings 36 (71)
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England captain out hooking in Adelaide……
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Root and Taylor in, heading for over 30.
The match will largely be won or lost in the next 10 overs, I reckon.
Looking at the worm, from here Bangladesh gently accelerated all the way to the end of their innings.
With Root & Taylor and Buttler to come, this should be easily matched by England.
But you can just see 10 overs of “consolidation” creating a dangerous pressure for England.
So mindset will be key.
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GO NOW!
FLOWERPOT, MOORESTHEPITY, THETWO-PETULAS, FFSAKER, RAMPRAKRASH, WHITLESSKER, BROADSWORDLESS, ANGRYANDERSON, BELL-END…AND COOKIECRUMBLES TOO…
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Unless either Root and Buttler score more than 63, the top scorer is getting blamed for this tomorrow. You can write the articles now.
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Either Root OR Buttler, obviously.
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Have a drink every time it’s mentioned what a good ball it was from Rubel Hossain – you’ll stay sober!
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Simon/anyone – was Broad unlucky against Sri Lanka? Because shortly after I got up, I heard Agnew state that Stuart Broad “didn’t have the pace and rhythm he had a week ago”. I looked up his figures v SL and they were 10-1-67-0.
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Agnew can only be referring to the dropped catch off his bowling (Root dropping Thirimanne) – otherwise the scorecard doesn’t lie.
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Actually, I think Taylor will be the scapegoat.
We often pick on someone who plays a nothing shot.
And it was a rubbish shot.
But this will be (unless Buttler saves us) a collective failure, IMO.
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The seamers doing it for Bangladesh as the wisdom of the English media corps didn’t predict. And as we now notice –
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I quite like Bell’s knock. It wasn’t world beating, but it was a good start and England are definitely not ‘behind the rate’ or anything like that, with half the runs ticked off. Morgan’s failure is, again, a failure. Over to Root, Taylor and Buttler…
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I actually went to a hotel here so I could use their wi-fi to watch the game live. England currently chasing 276 and are currently 136-5. This is a horror show. They might still win if Root and Butler sort things out, but this is a disgrace.
I thought Jordon bowled well at the death. That’s about the only positive thing I’m currently taking away from this so far. I hope Butler stays around long enough to win it.
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I don’t envy James Morgan right now. Have a look at Thefulltoss’s twitter feed. Amazing scenes.
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One of these teams has to pre-qualify for 2019.
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How did we lose in Adelaide. Changed websites too early, LCL. Maybe we won’t lose this and you will look more prophetic.
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https://twitter.com/NickSharland/status/574879343542931456
Your response to this tweet is pretty much a litmus test for whether or not you’re a prissy ECB apologist and full-time Florista.
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Less than 100 from the last ten overs. Against Bangladesh, who have just bowled out their best bowler.
A decent team would feel they had a chance.
England? Well, they could still win. In the sense that I still could have a Test career ahead of me. What with not being dead yet.
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Did you go to the right school? Do you shop at Waitrose? Can you ECB speak without deviation? Oh…one other thing – can you play a bit (to an old plan)?
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No Test career for me then. Ordinary comprehensive school in a small town in rural Norfolk. Say what I think, mostly. I have been known to have the occasional coffee in a Waitrose cafe. . . but that wouldn’t count enough would it?
Anyway, England have lost. There’s a shock.
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From a contributor to the Guardian OBO:
David Wolfe, from South Africa, is one of a number of international cricket fans that hope England tank. And for good reason, to be fair:
“There are quite a number of people here who hope England leaves the World Cup as soon as possible. They are really angry that England, Australia and India has conspired to leave out SA, NZ, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc and push their own interests with the ICC. Australia and India are tough but people here are celebrating England’s disastrous showing.”
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Buttler gone. 238/7. Need another 36 from 25 balls.
Jordan and Woakes have to see England home. Could go to any team now.
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Jordan runs himself out first ball.
238/8. Woakes and Broad now. I’d be thinking that BD are favorites here.
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16 from 12 now to win, after a terrible over from Taskin that went for 14.
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I need to write such things more often. Woakes gone next ball to Rubel. 16 from 11, with one wicket left.
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Sorry, that is Broad and not Woakes.
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Taskin’s winning it for Peter Moores here!
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If Moores blames the Jordan run out…
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And Rubel has done it!
Taking out Broad and Woakes in the 49th over.
Omnishambles completed.
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Geez, why did I write Woakes there? It was Anderson of course. I blame lack of coffee in my system.
Not that it matters one iota.
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Hey Ho! let’s plan forward to 2019 instead…
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Richard “one of the Ashes scapegoats” Halsall is Bangladesh’s fielding coach! It just gets funnier.
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England have lost. Graves now has carte blanche to get rid of all the incompetents. Let us hope he is tough enough to do that.
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Clarke! Downton! Flower! Saker! Moores! Cook! Selvey! Pringle! Your boys have taken helluva beating!
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Lowest ever point in English cricket? The 5-0 this winter was bad but it was unexpected. This debacle has been coming for a while. A train wreck created purely by the stubbornness of those driving the train in refusing to heed the signals.
We sacrificed and ashes for this load of tripe. Will those in charge do the honourable thing? Will they hell.
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https://twitter.com/TheCricketGeek/status/574889805965836288
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Can I just make it clear in case certain people are reading? I am not mocking the players, many of whom I like a lot. This is for the sick people in charge of English cricket, and even more than that, the utterly despicable, unconscionably arrogant and short-sighted power grab partly instigated and fully supported by the wretched, wretched Giles Clarke (new ECB president). I *cannot* support an England team that represents people like that rather than fans like me. Can’t do it. Sue me.
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I meant to include this tweet, rather than repeating Andyinbrum’s:
https://twitter.com/TheCricketGeek/status/574897701957025792
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Good. Banglasdesh have beaten England. Many of us predicted it but also hoped it wouldn’t happen.
Now it’s time for the entire ECB establishment to admit they have got it wrong and resign.
I’m so embarrassed to be an England cricket supporter. Forget the late 90s. This is the worst it has ever been.
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Hundred percent behind that. Never in the 90s, not even during the Dexter/Gower/Gatting business of 92/93, or a 3-1 defeat against the likes of Clayton Lambert and Philo Wallace in 1998, did I want England to lose, or feel this disenfranchised by the set-up.
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Morgan reputedly said (from Cricinfo):
“Again, the changes we made at the start of the tournament were necessary. The two again we made today were also necessary. We had gone four games into the group stages without the results we wanted. It ultimately comes down to the performance, and some of them [players] did, but not all of us as a unit.”
It was necessary to bat Ballance at three? No one has offered England supporters a reasonably convincing argument why Ballance even had to come into the team last minute in the first place. But to even go as far as to suggest it was necessary?
Heads need to roll. Laptops need to be smashed.
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I wouldn’t be sorry if Morgan never played for England again, tbh. Deeply unimpressive as batsman and captain, on and off the field.
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“Laptops need to be smashed”.
Atherton claimed post-match that England don’t use stats that much – or don’t use them as much as in the Flower/Strauss era anyway. He said it is because they are concerned they would confuse all the new, younger players.
I’m not saying I agree with that but Atherton’s opinion is worth being aware of.
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lessons learned, positives taken Team ECB are crap
roll over downton, clarke, whittaker, moores, flower, cook, morgan – goodbye, goodbye, it’s time for you to go outside cicket, enjoy, so long it’s not been good to know ya!!!!!!!!!
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I’m sorry for the England players, but if you keep on and on making the same mistakes you’re going to get beaten.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results – Einstein
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According to some me and my ilk will be happy. Because we’ve been proved right. Funnily enough happiness isn’t an emotion I am feeling right now. Rage. That’s more like it.
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According to Moores ‘at some point we’re going to have to look at our approach to ODI cricket’ – I’m sorry, wasn’t that over the last year when we are getting ready for a World Cup?
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If Moores “takes it on the chin” much more he’ll be unconscious. Which might be a blessing.
Like many others here, I’ve never been able to bring myself to want England to lose. But right now they don’t deserve to win, and after 30 years, I can’t call myself a “supporter” of English cricket right now.
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The response from Ben Mitchell is exactly what I was going to write…
I cannot believe how many of the press pack were advocating the return of this man. Only politics could explain it: there were no cricketing reasons that bore objective scrutiny.
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He is the perfect ECB stooge. Full of management speak, the only thing he didn’t do just now was ‘take the positives’ out of the result. Lost to Sri Lanka, lost every ODI series, crashed out of a world cup designed to allow us to qualify, won a test series against a side that gave up, his record is appalling but I imagine he will limp on through the summer whilst a ‘root and branch’ review takes place.
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Oh ffs #TrottsFault has just been used by Moores. Apparently he hasn’t been number 3 for a while and this has led to an unsettled team.
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https://twitter.com/NickSharland/status/564029482898423808
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More from the man currently signed up to attend self-awareness classes jointly hosted by David Brent and Alan Partridge:
https://twitter.com/TheCricketGeek/status/574905886990286848
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Strauss has just said these are the best players. No-one better could be selected.
Key has just blamed Bell.
Moores has just blamed a lack of experience. (Bangladesh have played 9 ODIs in Australia ever. Taskin is 19 years old).
Oh, Key is blaming Bell again.
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Was it not you who pointed out that some WW1 generals got a lot of undeserved flak for the tactics in that conflict? At this rate, they will end up rehabilitated, by simply comparing them to the stupidity surrounding the ECB.
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Comment at that end of the Guardian OBO:
“at least we’ve been so dismal, and failed so comprehensively, that it will force a serious assessment of our game”.
He’s obviously new to following England.
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Oh bugger! Time to dump that bloody computer as it’s up the creek without its paddle. It’s no good getting trying to get a stat from an Amstrad!!!
I cannot believe that quote from Moores. Oh he just has to be joking surely. Gee whizz we really are in one hell of a mess. One good thing to come out of this. And yes there is one thing. That is that the youngsters really have done well and really put on a fight here. It seems to be that the senior players have lost the plot. My question to all you knowledgable chaps is: Have these players had their talent stolen from them by awful coaches and plans, plans, simple plans and stats and more plans? The constant diatribe from management? The politicking? What is it that has seemingly destroyed Morgan? It just seems a tragedy.
Surely this is the end of Downton, Saker, Moores, Flower, Whittaker? How can they be allowed anymore time with our team. Surely they need new blood at the ECB who can bring on the youngsters?
On a lighter note! Possibly.
THIS!
Aussies lap it up
Posted at
Talkback radio station 3AW in Melbourne: “JUST IN! Bangladesh has avoided embarrassment, holding off a brave challenge from World Cup minnow England by 15 runs in Adelaide.”
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Being in Australia when this happens is purgatory. We hid near Cape Leeuwin for a few days in 2006.
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I’ll tell you a funny story to cheer you up.
You think it’s bad being on holiday when this happens. The morning after the game the Australian government awarded me permanent residency.
Someone has a sense of humour..
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Gower tried to claim there aren’t any other “serious candidates” to replace Moores – well done David Lloyd for not letting him get away with that and bringing up Moody, Gillespie and John Wright.
The post-match discussion on Sky (except Nasser) is so depressingly wretched I won’t relate any more.
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Please do. I’m at work.
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Okay, here’s one that’s got me spitting blood – Rob Key reckoned that Bangladesh’s attack is worse than a county championship side. This combination of shiteness and yet still stunning smugness and condescension is just so attractive…..
Rubel Hossain bowled at 146 kph. Find that every day in the CC! Shakib has 185 ODI wickets at 28.5 and an ER of 4.3. Can’t move in the CC for spinners who could manage that!
Gower has mentioned they “hope to hear from Paul Downton” in the Verdict – I’ll pass that on if it transpires although he’ll probably send a young player on instead.
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What the world needs now is Paul Downton on the verdict.
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So England got bowled out by an attack that is worse than any county side? Key is implying here that can’t even get a Playing XI on the field that can last the 50 overs against a county side?
Who selects the batsmen?
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“Rob Key reckoned that Bangladesh’s attack is worse than a county championship side.”
I suppose this is what you get when your board, press and broadcasters are assiduously pretending that the home defeats to the “county attack” of Sri Lanka did not happen.
Every time I feel slightly guilty about my feelings towards England, someone turns up to confirm my rationale is sound.
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Because losing at home in all formats to Sri Lanka less than a year ago, and being handily beaten by them in a return series is to be ignored because we’ll beat them on neutral territory. The sooner we get over this superiority complex, the better.
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Rob Key sets the bar low but can Dominic Cork limbo below it? You know he can…..
“Today showed that 70 mph seamers have a future in international cricket”. Perhaps he meant Rubel because he thinks 146 kph converts to 70 mph? Or perhaps he meant Mortaza who was bowling through a serious knee injury and took crucial wickets? Or perhaps he meant 19 year old Taskin bowling death overs when English players in their late 20s with 100+ List A games are routinely described as “inexperienced”?
Also, guess what his idea was for England to take more wickets in the middle overs? Bowl more bouncers of course. Is there any cricketing problem Dominic Cork thinks can’t be solved by bowling more bouncers? Strangely, I can’t remember Mahmudullah looking in any trouble against the short ball or the Bangladesh bowlers bowling many bouncers (except the one that got Morgan).
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Maybe he meant English candidates?
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I’m sure he did – because Downton has been operating under the self-imposed constraint that the coach has to be English.
In case anyone thinks this has anything to do with patriotism, it has more to do with the ECB’s desperation to prove that the millions they’ve poured down the drain on coaching schemes wasn’t money wasted.
Time for that George Dobell quote on donkey sanctuaries in Norfolk again!
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Gower’s probably been on the vino again. He is such a silly arse these days.
No serious candidates? Bloody hell is this the best the public system boys can throw up? Sod them all. Bloody morons.
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Selvey’s maths a bit dodgy here?
“Bangladesh can now look forward to a quarter-final match at the MCG against India, the point that they gained from their washed out match against Australia in Brisbane proving vital.”
If Eng beat Afg and NZ beat Ban it’s still 7-4: a Ban defeat to Aus would only have made it 6-4. Today’s game was vital, no point clouding the issue by even suggesting that the washout played a part in England going out.
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I saw that. Just crap.
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6 recs in 10 minutes on page 7 of the thread! Worth breaking my boycott for: it was irritating me because most of the article is perfectly fair.
(However, I don’t remember “dark, dark day” being used in 2013/14, but that’s a discussion for another time… pretty straightforward to explain though, I would suggest)
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Hales gave a glimpse of what could have been if he had more time playing (he might not, some things we will never know, but he seemed better than ballance appeared)
Buttler showed why he is better than trying for 20 runs off 10 balls, give him time and he can get runs. If we had him higher up the order & he was not the ‘last hope’ then who knows what he could achieve
Woakes – here you go, prepare with the new ball, then never get it in the main matches
Finn – feel sorry he was dropped as he has most wickets, but he appears to have been broken by England.
Tredwell – why did they take him? could have provided some control (or at least variation to the right arm, med/fast that we have)
I didn’t want england to loose, but I’m glad they have (ergh – can’t believe I’m saying that!)
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Just what I said. Maybe if they had got him and other youngsters in the team from the get go at least we might have seen what these guys could do. Of course we have to factor in the Moores element. I expect he bores them all to death. No wonder Root goes off the “reservation” and won’t buckle down. Who can blame him. They must all be sick to death of the management. Someone is going to blow sooner rather than later. All the crap of the past 14months will be spewed out.
The ECB certainly has been responsible for the destruction of players confidence – started under Flower and ends up under Moores.
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From Selvey’s match report:
“They made two changes to the team, with Hales and Jordan replacing Gary Ballance and Steven Finn, a move that simply had to happen.”
So, either Selvey is implying that he wrote nonsense about Finn after the Scotland game, or you’re supposed to drop players when they are in the form of their lives? Same applies to other papers, and their cricket correspondents. There are a few exceptions, but still.
I fear there is more nonsense to come.
The Guardian is actually paying someone to come up with such brilliant analysis? They could reduce costs significantly by asking random fans to write about the game(s) involved. At least honest admissions of “I could not bear to watch England bowl, expecting the usual tripe served up, and was pleasantly surprised to see that Jimmy Anderson took out both openers, for the first time since eons (link in a statsguru reference to occasions where that happened). Then again, I suppose that persistent bouts of insanity may appear to have the occasional reward …”
That would not be professional journalism, but I do feel that it would be a considerable improvement.
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I’ve written a stinker to the Guardian about what the moderators have been doing over all this time. Utterly disgusting and deplorable load of nonsense.
I wonder what Steve Brenkley will come out with next. Thing is he said that Moores was sticking with the same team? Well his link to the ECB is definitely iffy. Probably him starting to speak up about England has taken the shine off the relationship of the inner circle.
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Ooh, let’s play guess who, shall we?
“Wow, 800 comments already. I was going to suggest a game of ‘I blame …..’ but I see you have already started.
I’ll go with a game of ‘bring back’ instead and I’ll start with …….. Flower, Cook and Bresnan.
OK your turn ..”
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I bloody well hope quebecer finds this post.
Oh, sorry, have I spoilt the game?
😉
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Those who refuse to say a bad word about those who sacked their enemy will reside in “I don’t care about ODIs Street”. We’ll be forced to watch this lot collapse in a heap in the Ashes to convince them we may have had a smidgen of a point. I give up.
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I’m starting to think West Indies might have a chance in a couple months….
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Guardian veterans will know that kpateldf24 needs no introduction.
Well, he’s at it again:
“Australia’s test team isn’t the best in swinging English conditions, they lost the last away Ashes 3-0 lest we forget. Everyone has made so much noise over the 5-0 that they forgot the 3-0.
Their top order doesn’t inspire much confidence in tests, Michael Clarke notwithstanding.”
Do you think that, if he tries really hard, he might be able to come up with some reasons why the 2013 Ashes is about as relevant to today as Robin #Thicke?
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A number 3 batting at 6
A number 6 opening
An opener batting at 3
What could possibly go wrong
Oh
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